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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 21, 2008 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let the hating begin again... typical liberalism

"look how well we are doing in iraq"

Your point?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 21, 2008 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let the hating begin again... typical liberalism

my point is obvious, we need to have as much diplomacy as possible ( and it IS possible ) because we are not able of fighting a multi-front war alone which is exactly where we'd be headed with the mentality of Bush and those of you that follow him.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 22, 2008 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let the hating begin again... typical liberalism

Anyone that thinks the "success" of the surge means Iraq has been a success overall is completely delusional BECAUSE...if you remember the geniuses who brought us the war (rummy & cheney chief among them) their largest selling point was how quick and easy it would be, how the Iraqis would greet us with "open arms and as liberators" and how few troops would be necessary to complete the job (the general who before the war suggested 300,000 troops would be needed to do it right was laughed at by Rumsfeld and fired shortly thereafter).

NOW we're calling 140,000 US troops needed in Iraq just to keep it less violent than in the previous FIVE YEARS--a staggering number in itself, btw--a success?

Keeping upwards of 100,000 troops in Iraq is exactly what we DIDN'T want for this war, what we CAN'T SUSTAIN over the long haul without depleting our reserves of troops and reducing the available numbers we need for other places (re: Afghanistan, and eventually, Pakistan), and is just a perfect example of the kind of Orwellian double-speak proponents of the war use to dupe people into thinking the greatest failure of our time, and the most egregiously heinous in terms of illegality, arrogance, and pure utter disdain for the truth, is actually "working."

What an unbelievable joke to defend it (did I mention the COST: $10 BILLION A MONTH AND COUNTING THAT COMES OUT OF TAXPAYER POCKETS?)...and I'd mention the lost lives as well except that those who defend it obviously don;t give a flying rat's ass about any of that "touchy feely liberal crap", with 4,000 plus US soldiers killed and who knows how many tens of thousands of Iraqis left dead or displaced.

Of course, those are the people whose sons and daughters don't have to get drafted to go and so for whom the ultimate sacrifice based on a complete lie (where are those WMD again?) affects them not one whit.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 22, 2008 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let the hating begin again... typical liberalism

Blame carter, kerry, clinton and everyone else who also voted or supported the war, and go pound sand. We are there now, your point is moot. We should go back and avoid the cold war too, and stop 9/11 while we are at it. Maybe the folks at the wayback machine can help you change the past, we can only change the future. Get on board and stop obama, you can do it.

http://www.archive.org/details/bigbangmachine

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 22, 2008 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let the hating begin again... typical liberalism

What a riot you are. You avoid the facts presented in my argument and immediately revert to "go blame clinton, kerry, blah blah blah" and then go on and rant about your fear of Obama. You'd make a lousy magician because your sleight of hand is far too obvious.

Quick pop quiz, genius: Which US President and his staff were given this report on August 6th, 2001: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”

Need a minute? Still thinking? Don't strain yourself.......hey! That was your guy W! Wow. What a shock. Yeah, so I guess NOTHING could have been done to prevent 9/11. And I;'m SURE that had a president (name democrat here) received that report, you'd say the same).

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument, I guess.

Point is that when you say things like "we're there now, the point is moot"....you only prove that people who fight like hell to avoid having "leaders" like Bush in the first place are 100% right. You get what you pay for.

So when we say we want to oppose a candidate like McCain, who supports the war and would keep it going for who knows how many more years and how many more billions of dollars...we're actually doing so for a good reason.

and btw, you automatically assume I'm an Obama fan, and I'm not. If I had my way, his VP would have won the Dem. primary, b/c he has the most experience, esp. foreign policy, out of any of these tools, is smart and while not being perfect (none of them are) is far more capable of resolving messes like Iraq than your beloved Republicans, who by ANY measurable objective standard, have completely failed this country over the past 8 years.

But your hatred of "liberals" is overwhelming any obvious rational thought on your part, so I realize i'm talking to a brick wall here. I'm really speaking to others whose minds are more open to the truth, and less disdainful of anyone who doesn't buy into their pre-conceived philosophies.

(I don't watch Olbermann, CNN, OR Fox, btw. There are better sources for news that care less about the cult of personality and more about the facts, but you go ahead and assume what you want about me).

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 22, 2008 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let the hating begin again... typical liberalism

What a riot you are. You avoid the facts presented in my argument and immediately revert to "go blame clinton, kerry, blah blah blah" and then go on and rant about your fear of Obama. You'd make a lousy magician because your sleight of hand is far too obvious.

What point were you trying to make other than bash the war in iraq and it's cost? Fear of obama? Now not only do I have to read your posts, I have to go read mine? Sleight of hand? Are you serious?

Quick pop quiz, genius: Which US President and his staff were given this report on August 6th, 2001: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”

Thanks, I do have a 159 IQ but never said that, more personal attacks.

Need a minute? Still thinking? Don't strain yourself.......hey! That was your guy W!

My guy W? WRONG, there you go again. Bush isn't running and I would have never picked him in the first place. Oh and he is not running.

Wow. What a shock. Yeah, so I guess NOTHING could have been done to prevent 9/11. And I;'m SURE that had a president (name democrat here) received that report, you'd say the same).

Never said anything like that. 9/11 could have been prevented if government red tape and firewalls in between CIA and FBI, etc were lifted earlier maybe we would have stopped it. I think the patriot act might be part of that solution but let's ignore that and just call each other names.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument, I guess.

Exactly, your opinions are the truth and my opinions are not. Sounds fair to me. Get a life nutjob.

Point is that when you say things like "we're there now, the point is moot"....you only prove that people who fight like hell to avoid having "leaders" like Bush in the first place are 100% right. You get what you pay for.

We are there now, and making a big deal out of it doesn't get us out. Victory does. I want out ASAP as well, AFTER EVER LAST ENEMYIS DEAD.

So when we say we want to oppose a candidate like McCain, who supports the war and would keep it going for who knows how many more years and how many more billions of dollars...we're actually doing so for a good reason.

Yes, killing religious extremists who want to kill you more than they want to kill me, which is the ironic part of this argument.

and btw, you automatically assume I'm an Obama fan, and I'm not. If I had my way, his VP would have won the Dem. primary, b/c he has the most experience, esp. foreign policy, out of any of these tools, is smart and while not being perfect (none of them are) is far more capable of resolving messes like Iraq than your beloved Republicans, who by ANY measurable objective standard, have completely failed this country over the past 8 years.

I agree as well, biden outshines obama's experience by far. Mccain is not bush and wanted to handle the war differently and well there were some other things that get brushed under the rug because they only amount to 10% according to the media.

But your hatred of "liberals" is overwhelming any obvious rational thought on your part, so I realize i'm talking to a brick wall here. I'm really speaking to others whose minds are more open to the truth, and less disdainful of anyone who doesn't buy into their pre-conceived philosophies.

Assuming to know who I hate because I am sick of people saying shit without bakcing it up? I am all for free speech and one of my points was that it only seems to apply to some people.

(I don't watch Olbermann, CNN, OR Fox, btw. There are better sources for news that care less about the cult of personality and more about the facts, but you go ahead and assume what you want about me).

Well only one of us can assume things so you I'll wait my turn.

There I read your post, answered your points and didn't personally attack you.